Gayla – The Lifechanging Power of Somatic Therapy (#8)

Can life’s most traumatic moments become stepping stones to profound healing? 

Join me as Gayla, a nursing professional and spiritual seeker, recounts her journey of overcoming dissociation after a significant relationship ended. 

Guided by Rageheart, she re-established a sense of safety and connection with her body. 

I share my own experiences with nervous system shutdowns during prolonged meditation, underscoring the importance of addressing stuck energy for overall well-being.

This episode is packed with insights from experts like Peter Levine, and we explore the concept of nervous system freeze and practical techniques for regulation. 

From daily practices in body awareness to the transformative power of simple exercises, discover how to quiet the mind effectively and prevent dissociation. 

We also highlight the benefits of communal experiences, such as The Rageheart Academy’s monthly group sessions (The Rumble), which leave participants feeling energized and grounded. 

Whether you’re seeking personal healing or tools for helping others, this conversation offers invaluable perspectives and strategies.

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Chapters:

• 0:00 Healing From Disassociation With Rageheart
• 14:13 Recovering From Nervous System Freeze
• 28:41 The Power of Body Awareness

Links From The Episode:

• John’s interview on The Third Wave (where Gayla found John)
• Peter Levine’s book Waking The Tiger

Video

Transcription:

Speaker 1: 0:00
All right, it’s John Wood here, the founder of Rageheart, with Rageheart podcast number. I think we’re up to eight, Rageheart eight, let’s just call it eight. And I’m here with Gayla, one of the first clients who went through Rageheart, the Rageheart Academy. We had a chat a few weeks ago just to find out. I wanted to learn a bit more about what her experience was like and she had some really cool stories and I thought it’d make a great podcast episode to get her on the show and share a little, get her to share a little bit about how things had worked out for us. So yeah, Gayla, how are you?

Speaker 2: 0:36
doing Great to be here.

Speaker 1: 0:38
Yeah, yeah, no, it’s great we can connect. So to begin, I think, because most people, no one really is going to know anything about you or who you are, I think that’s probably the best place to begin is maybe just tell the listener a little bit about yourself and, uh, you know where you’re coming from and what you do.

Speaker 2: 0:57
Okay, what I do? Yeah, so, um. So my background is nursing, always been very, very interested in health and wellness, um, and in my own journey as well. It’s been so far really. Uh, I guess I’m about 31 years ago. I dedicated my life to my spiritual life, to wanting to be enlightened. I thought I could do that and there I am still trying, but anyway, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:29
So when you know I’m a monastic and an intuitive empath and all that. So when I heard you talk about your program and how you use the term, you know move stuck energy, and so I had been coming out of a 23 year relationship that ended pretty roughly and the last episode, the final event I thought was life threatening, and so I had been five years out of that but really had just went on a sabbatical. A five year sabbatical stopped. Five-year sabbatical stopped all socialization no drinking, no working out. I’m athletic, no, walking, a little Running my business was about all I could do, and I just dove into my spiritual life and went deep. But I was having trouble. My body was starting to give me signs that this was not I had to get moving.

Speaker 1: 2:26
I had to.

Speaker 2: 2:27
You know, um, you know adrenal fatigue and all kinds of stuff. So I um, when you spoke about that, I I felt like that’s what I really need to do is move stuck energy. So that’s I started on your program and it’s been a great. It’s been a great help because what I had done in that last episode was disassociated and that wasn’t the first time when I marriage ended a 15 year marriage. When that ended, that was also a rough ending. Now patterns repeat themselves, but I’m disassociated them as well. So you know, this program of getting back into your body and into safety is what worked for me. Like you just can’t believe it’s what I needed. It’s just like what the doctor ordered right at the right time.

Speaker 1: 3:21
Yeah what the doctor ordered right at the right time, so you know. So what do you mean by you know? If I was listening to this and I wasn’t really familiar with this field, what do you mean by disassociating?

Speaker 2: 3:35
Well, like so, when my that’s the first experience I had with that and I really didn’t know what it was. But when my marriage ended it was. I was kind of just discombobulated and shocked, confused, you know, through that trauma. But I was driving down the street and all of a sudden I was looking down at my hands on the wheel and I mean I’m going like, oh my God, I don’t know why I can see my hands down there, but, you know, maybe I better pull over.

Speaker 2: 4:10
So that was the first, uh, subjective experience of being in a disassociated state where I was really actually not even in my body and I was looking down at it. And you know my nerves it was depression, emotionally, you know, breaking down, and physically again just trying to get grounded. Back in that day we used the term getting grounded and doing grounding work and trying to feel my feet touching the floor and couldn’t. And when I looked in the mirror I couldn’t see myself. I could see nothing in the mirror. It was a really bizarre experience, but that was the first time. And then this time I wasn’t quite in the dark with knowing what was going on, but also I really couldn’t be around people and people bothered me and all socialization had to end and you know um. So, um.

Speaker 1: 5:32
Yeah, I don’t know if that explains it, but that’s what it’s like, yeah yeah, I mean, I’ve never you know, I’m just sort of more just for someone listening to this that they might be like, well, what’s that? Well, they’ve heard about it, but they’re not super familiar with it. You know, I’m just sort of more just for someone listening to this that they might be like, well, what’s that? Well, they’ve heard about it, but they’re not super familiar with it. You know, for me I’ve never had it to that degree. I’ve never, you know, seen myself from outside of myself.

Speaker 1: 5:52
So far, for me it’s always, you know, it’s probably more of a shutdown. It seems to manifest in different ways. I can get very, very, very if I meditate too much or do something like that. I get very tired and I lose all motivation for most things. I feel calm, but I’m just like, oh, I just can’t be bothered doing anything. And for so long I thought that was like a spiritual thing. I remember learning from one of my teachers. He’s like, oh, it just sounds like your nervous system shutting down, because when we be present for too long, too much in one go, it can open things up a bit too quickly. And the nervous system’s like, hey, bro, this is too much. So we’re gonna like, sure, we’re gonna squeeze everything down and you know. So that’s how it comes out for me. But yeah, I have heard of people completely coming outside of their body and seeing themselves from a disassociated or a disconnected point of view.

Speaker 2: 6:40
So yeah, I just had someone describe to me her disassociation and she’s like, if I feel, you know, in a group and I feel stressed, I’m like a wallflower flower, I’m over on the other side, against the wall or in the corner, or even leave the room and they don’t even know it, they just see me, my body, sitting there, and so that’s also another type an experience of disassociating and, um, but I know what you’re talking about with the fatigue and all that. I didn’t, would not, and I still don’t know if I can. When I’m really tired, I don’t know if I’m depressed or tired, which one came first. I can’t tell the difference between depressed and tired, so, but I just know I’m shut down, can’t move.

Speaker 1: 7:29
Yeah, yeah, I find for me like if I’m if I’m, you know, fairly well rested I haven’t just had a big plate of rice or sugar or something like that If I check off those sort of usual things, if I’ve had a good sleep the night before, and then I’m still like, if I sit down then and just feel for a while, I can start to slip into sleep. And so I think sometimes I’m tired, I guess I’m just sleepy, but then sometimes it’s like no, I think that’s one of the flip side to some of these tools inside RageHard is they’re so good at opening the system up that you know it can almost be too much, and that’s part of the game is starting to feel when I’m at that level, when I’m at that edge, and then, okay, now let’s take a break, let’s go look at some flowers or something or I don’t know, drink a cup of tea.

Speaker 2: 8:14
Yeah, exactly For me, getting some solitude, doing some journaling, getting the nature, just you know, stop it all and breathe for a minute. But then I do the practice, like what you have taught, and just sometimes my mind is running a story and I’m like it’s affecting, I’m like starting to cry and the story’s going on and on and it’s this big drama. And all of a sudden, just like I’m like wait a minute, and I get on my big toe and get into my body and look around, and I’m like wait a minute, and I get my big toe and get into my body and look around and I’m like none of that’s even going on. The whole story just cleared and ended by doing that. And it’s like magic right there.

Speaker 2: 8:54
You know, then and now you don’t have to buy anything or go anywhere, you can just tune in, get you know, get it down, settle down into your body and look around it. You know there’s no, there’s no lions, tigers and bears. You know there really isn’t.

Speaker 1: 9:13
There really isn’t enough in my back either. Yeah, you mentioned. Last time we chatted about being in a supermarket and then using this technique to do. You remember that story?

Speaker 2: 9:25
Yeah, yeah, I had forgotten about that. Yeah, oh wow, that was. That was really interesting. The supermarket it was so packed and everybody was rushing around and just um, and I just had to stop and right there it’s holding under the car. I just stopped and got into my body and right in the present space and it seemed like they were crazy, just like nobody was even there. It seemed like a crazy disconnected group that would just, I don’t know. They were in such a hurry to get somewhere else and to push and shove and be so miserable and in, and I was able to, just like it was. It was surreal to see them all charging around, pushing, miserable, oh wow.

Speaker 2: 10:16
And then the beauty of being able to just get into my being so present, for right there within myself and not be, part of that Coming out of that, that’s disassociated right there, All of them charging around to be somewhere else and being miserable where they are and don’t even know they’re there.

Speaker 1: 10:39
I mean that’s disassoci association in consciousness yeah, yeah, it’s kind of like this whole game is like there’s levels to it. I guess I’m an extreme version. He’s coming out of the body and seeing it from out, but then what? Most people walk around and I still spend some of my time in this. It’s not like I’m not perfect at this, but yeah, we walk around and we’re not really there here doing whatever we’re doing. I’m sort of here, but my mind’s over there somewhere.

Speaker 1: 11:05
And it’s this you know, I’ve been learning about this in our plant medicine, psychedelic work, where it’s. A lot of this work is bringing the body and the mind, which have been so separate for so long in our lives, and bringing them into alignment. It’s not about getting rid of the mind or getting rid of the body, but bringing them into alignment. It’s not about getting rid of the mind or getting rid of the body, but bringing them so they perfectly match up. The mind says what the body says, the body says what the mind says, and then the soul, if you want to bring that into it. So yeah, walking around the supermarket thinking about you, I don’t know, worrying about something, you’re not really there. Yeah, no-transcript. You know, when I get into this I’m like you know, this is still not mainstream yet from what I can see, but it’s like man, this is every, I’d say almost. Everyone has some variation of it expresses in different ways. They end up with different symptoms, sometimes the physical, sometimes mental, psychological, but everyone seems to have some amount of this fundamental disconnection.

Speaker 2: 12:29
And then life is like we’re just trying to get back to that somehow. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, when you do that monthly rumble and then you just bring it like all of the, all those stories and the, it all shuts up and you just bring it all to like a stress-free right here, it’s so perfect yeah. It really calms me down. So yeah, it’s great stuff.

Speaker 1: 12:49
Yeah, but when you started because I remember you, I think you listened to the podcast with Paul Austin at the Third Wave, so on psychedelics and sort of my background with this. And then you came over I remember we had a phone call I early on and maybe you’d done a little bit of it, but it was like this isn’t working, like I don’t really know what’s going on, and you were sort of you’re on the fence with the whole thing, like tell me a little bit about that yeah.

Speaker 2: 13:13
So and I mean I was thinking that this was going to be like some aerobic move, move energy, the opposite really. Like I got to get this G move and I’m stuck Help me, and this is slow and nothing happens. And you were like maybe I’ll, you know, maybe I’ll think about speeding up the program, but okay, and then it was like right after that, so I had had cosmetic surgery is what? Because I had started for three months I had been working with psilocybin, which creates new pathways in the brain and new synapses and connections, and all that, and then I put had anesthesia, I’m assuming that’s what did it. But I had a complete nervous system melt and I didn’t know what happened. It hit me like a lightning bolt and the force of a lightning bolt and I didn’t know what happened. It hit me like a lightning bolt and the force of a lightning bolt and I couldn’t. I I remember, come you know, emailing you and saying what do I do? I got to, I got to regulate my nervous system. Now I’m like I can’t control this, regulate this. And you said, kayla, you can’t regulate it, congratulations.

Speaker 2: 14:43
And that day I had tuned into Rageheart for that day’s lesson and you happened to be teaching about a functional freeze and explaining it. And I went oh my God, that’s what I’ve been in for five years. And I just broke out of it and thank God for your program program, because I wouldn’t know what to do. No idea, you have no idea what that feels like, with a hundred percent of a melt and um. So yeah, using external resources which you had taught in the second lesson. And then, um, knowing what it was, and that was really that saved me, and then getting in and doing the work that, you know, just going through each day of getting calmed down in my body, you know, was saving me.

Speaker 1: 15:36
So you mentioned like knowing a bit about what happened, because there’s sort of two parts to it that I see is like the techniques or the practical stuff, and then there’s the you know, knowing what functional freeze is, and it sounds like having that understanding even aside from the techniques, just knowing, oh, this, I think this is what’s happening. Even that sounds like that was helpful was helpful.

Speaker 2: 16:05
Yeah, very helpful. I had just joined your program, like a few weeks before I had surgery, and I had bought peter levine’s book uh, waking the tiger and I had just done a quick speed read through it but didn’t really read it, but I had um, as god would have it been walked through a preparation so that when this happened I tuned into your program. Just happened to be that day you taught about it and I had that book here also. I couldn’t really focus in and read at the time, I was really dysregulated. But over time then understanding what it’s about and that really, as I learned, it wasn’t even just that one life-threatening event at the end of that relationship.

Speaker 2: 16:53
But I was living in sympathetic state in my business and work. I had two business going on, I had a lot, it was the perfect storm, a lot going on, but I was living in a sympathetic state and not able to get parasympathetic balance at all. So I had led up to this whole, you know, to this crash and uh. So now I I’m, you know, I have the tools, so if I get to anything else, get in that state again, but I can practice daily or off and on through the day, so that I don’t get disassociated. When I feel myself getting disconnected, like you said, or out of alignment, I can go in and do the practice and get aligned right then and there what?

Speaker 1: 17:47
do you mean by? This yeah, what do you mean by uh, like dysregulation, like went for you subjectively, like you know, because I imagine someone might be listening what’s that? Like it sounds bad, but what? What do you mean when you say you were dysregulated? Or when the nervous system melt happened? How did that feel? What was going on that told you that you were dysregulated? How would you explain it to someone who’s never done any of this work?

Speaker 2: 18:15
Yeah, I think if I can explain what that was like. But Geez, you know, at that point I couldn’t even go to work. I, thankfully, had delegated to my management team and they, they took over and I wasn’t out of focus. I needed to do the external resources all day, sometimes even in the night, which is, like you know, I have a hot tub here. Like you know, I have a hot tub here. Get out, walk around the house or the yard, even move, just move, shake. You know, get things. So I get so. And I just couldn’t. I couldn’t really. I had to do a lot of work to stay relaxed and to keep calming myself down, and I didn’t.

Speaker 2: 19:21
A lot of people from reading Peter Levine’s book, a lot of people, when they do a total melt like that, they melt into rage. I didn’t have any rage, I melted into love. I was wild. I was a wild woman. I called myself a cave woman. My primal instincts were through the roof and, yeah, I wasn’t fit to go out the door, but it was, you know. So it took a while to get, to get, um, you know, get it all balanced up yeah, and then what’s changed?

Speaker 1: 20:03
you know, if you think about now so it sounds like the dysregulation. You know it’s stress essentially. You would know this. You know we’re in sympathetic, a lot of people are in sympathetic. It’s basically stress. So all the things that come with stress, like not being able to sleep or bad choices with food or a racing mind that can be quite negative, all these different things. I don’t know how it did it manifest in those ways for you, or were there other different things that it did the stress?

Speaker 2: 20:30
No, no, I think that it was, I don’t really know. It’s none of those things. Okay, I eat good and I, you know, and I do a lot of other healing things acupuncture and stuff like that that helps me in terms of being able to sleep at night and all that that helps me in terms of being able to sleep at night and all that.

Speaker 2: 21:01
Um, I, I think mostly I needed to move my body. I’ve had been too sedentary for five years and I’m very physical anyway, I’m very kinetic and I need to always be moving and I had just like sat, and not sat in a lazy way, sat in, just like a monk on the mountain that just sits there and you know chants, that’s what I would do chant and breathe. And you know journal and pray, and I had to. Really, that’s not balance either when you do that all day for five years, pretty much you know. So, um, yeah, I think it was just a nervous energy that I had to move and get, work it out of my body, release it. I had been holding on, I think, like holding on on the side of a mountain, hanging, dangling there, and you can only hold on for so long yeah, I think that’s what like.

Speaker 1: 21:57
Like I’ve done a lot of meditation to chanting all of that and I think the as a practice, if it’s done, I guess, if it’s, if you get somewhere with it, it’ll it seems to bring a lot of energy.

Speaker 1: 22:08
You know that, you know stress energy or energy up in the system. But then the problem for me, and maybe for you too, like if I’m just sitting perfectly still, it’s like it has nowhere to go and I wonder system. But then the problem for me and maybe for you too, like if I’m just sitting perfectly still, it’s like it has nowhere to go. And I wonder if that’s the problem often with some of these practices is we open the system up so all the energy, all the stuck old energy from the past that’s coming up, but we’re sitting perfectly still, so it has no outlet, and so it’s kind of like pumping more and more and more electricity into a house, into the you know wiring. Sooner or later the fuse blows and the whole thing shuts down. And it’s kind of like pumping more and more and more electricity into a house, into the wiring. Sooner or later the fuse blows and the whole thing shuts down.

Speaker 1: 22:38
And it’s a bit like that with the nervous system where we keep because the energy is all frozen and stuck, because we’re not ready to handle that right now. But you meditate, the system’s like oh okay, well, I guess you’re ready, you’re present enough, but it comes up and then, but if we’re not moving, it sort of seems to fry things out a little bit and, um, you know, whereas what you’re talking about and seem to be talking about is, yeah, like, like, how bad things come up. And now, you know, there’s been a lot of growl I’ve mentioned this so many times growling like I’m a bear or a tiger or something, and it feels so. It’s not anger, it doesn’t feel like I’m angry with someone or something, it just feels like man, this feels so good to like beat my chest like I’m a gorilla and to start to take what I’m feeling and to to put it into like a physical expression.

Speaker 1: 23:19
That has been such a something. That’s what you’re saying. And then then the energy has something to do. It now it’s not, you know, just damned up inside the body. Now it can start to flow out. It kind of like, I guess it’s like a lightning strikes the house and there’s all that power to stop the house from burning down. You have a grounding rod that goes into the ground so it can flow. So in some ways.

Speaker 1: 23:38
It’s like that’s what we’re doing here is getting it to flow so we don’t fry our nervous system to pieces.

Speaker 2: 23:44
Exactly A hundred percent. Right, that’s my experience. I know dancing helped me a lot, anything that I could just move and shake and get all of that chi out that I had just been I don’t know building up and harboring like you just said, it just got high voltage and it blew, yeah, yeah, and uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, cool.

Speaker 1: 24:07
And then what’s changed? You know now, how do you feel like your life is different, other than you know? You’ve mentioned being in, you know, the supermarket, or I think the other day day you mentioned right before the gym. You can get into your body just like almost instantly, or stop thinking almost instantly. Are there other things or what are some of the other ways your life is different as a result of these tools?

Speaker 2: 24:30
Yeah, so my life is complete. I’m very happy now, very happy, and creative juices are flowing. I’ve taken up some photography stuff that I, you know like, I’ve always enjoyed or thought about or enjoyed when I was younger but never got back to. A lot of creativity is happening for me right now. That’s coming up and it feels great Doing a lot of writing. I love to write. That was another thing that came up, an awareness of that. As a hobby.

Speaker 2: 25:13
I study Vedicic astrology and I get my charts done by different astrologers over the years and they always would say, wow, that moon, mercury, together, like that in that location, you’re a writer. There’s such and such famous writer and this one and that one I have that that means you’re a writer. And I would always say I’m not a writer and I would know before I had the reading they’re going to start with that I’m not a writer. And then just recently I’m like, oh my god, I’ve got notebooks, I’m writing. I guess I’m a really good writer. So, like an open, more awareness, like when you made that statement about your mind body being aligned. It is really brings up so much awareness when you get into that state of your true self and that’s what I’m experiencing Just another layer of, or a bigger, better who I am, what I really love, and feeling the joy of that, even to make new relationships and, you know, starting to get back into the world with people that I can have like-minded friendships with. So, yeah, it’s been huge.

Speaker 1: 26:30
Yeah, it sounds like I don’t usually talk about this that much with Rageheart because I think a lot of people are like what is that? But a phrase that came through for me very powerfully a couple of years ago was just remember who you are, because it’s like something about this work for me was like, oh, like I forgot. I didn’t even realize I forgot until I remembered this weird like such a subtle thing.

Speaker 1: 26:51
It’s like this is the most amazing. So much of what I was just looking for was myself, my original, authentic self, you know, and it’s a. It’s a back and forth thing. You know, you sort of I’m in and I’m out of, you know, forget, remember. But but that to me, you know, there’s all the stuff. You know you sleep better, you eat better, you know, for me, or I feel better, in general happier, but a lot of it. To me, the coolest part has been that of getting in touch with me. Um, it sounds like you’re saying something along those lines too, but now it’s like the, the real. You can start to come forward. Now that it’s like the we clear the stuff. You clear the stuff out of the way. All the old cobwebs and dust, all the energetic baggage from the past is the more that clears away, the more it’s like the real. You’s like, oh, now it’s my time to shine exactly that’s exactly what I feel like.

Speaker 2: 27:36
Yeah, now it’s time for me, because I don’t know all those stories going on and the, the baggage, the history, the it’s, you know, it just gets quiet. I don’t even that and it’s exhausting and it keeps me from being here. I mean, and to think that you can go through life and not even be here yet and then you go through this. You know, like with this program, you just get here and that’s just so great, so great.

Speaker 1: 28:06
Yeah, yeah, cool. And then so in your own, I mean, we’ve been doing this, probably pretty much what we’ve been doing the whole time. But if there’s anything else you want to add, like in your own words, how would you describe you know, rage out, what, what really is it? You mentioned moving stuck energy, like if you were talking to a friend and you’re like, and you’re going to check this out, how would you describe it?

Speaker 2: 28:29
yeah. So, um, what I? You know I love the. I mean’s so creative, the way you have put it together. I love it and it makes it fun.

Speaker 2: 28:41
But every day having a new or, you know, being committed to every day, especially in the beginning, while you’re learning this technique, and every day tuning in and you get another new lesson and exercise and just get to get get here now, right then, for that, and then, over time, you can do it on your own throughout the day and just stop and do that. This exercise that you teach is so simple and that’s why, in the beginning, I thought there’s nothing happening. But the truth is, the beauty is in how simple it is and as you practice it, it gets more and more effective as time goes on. So, and then you teach different, different ways to do the same thing. Um, one of the ones when you were just like you, you know, when you just like, you know your head, just like, be aware that your head’s going to, like you’re going to move it to the right, and notice how it, like starts to move on its own before you even move it. Things like that blew me away.

Speaker 2: 29:54
And one time it was about um, see if you can like breathe in and and extend your belly, and then now let that go and extend your chest and see if you could just go back and forth.

Speaker 2: 30:06
They’re great, it’s great, it’s great stuff and it really just gets me right here and there’s nothing going on, and it’s very energizing and that’s what allows the creativity to flow. Then, finally, when everything else stops, so and then going through it, you have it divided into different sections and you graduate from one and then you can go to another and, yeah, it’s very fun.

Speaker 1: 30:40
I think last time we were. I think it was last time. I don’t think we’ve spoken about it today, but you mentioned. You know it’s almost like most people. You know they’re trying to fix their mind by going into the mind and it’s like, well, you know you can just go to your body and you find a way. There’s different doorways through the body and then your mind calms down and quiet, almost as a side effect. It’s like you don’t even have to. You said something like that last time. I was like that’s a really cool way to think about it yeah.

Speaker 2: 31:06
So meditation, you know the the way, what I’ve always heard, the point of meditation, and I’ve been tried meditating for 30 plus years, different techniques and so many types, and but it’s about silencing the mind. What is the point of meditation? To silence the mind. But with with this, with Rageheart, there’s nothing like that. You just you get into your like you know any different things with your body and it’s all there. You are in your body and all of a sudden the mind follows suit and the mind just shuts up. And that’s when it’s so effective. It’s so much more effective than trying to sit still and the mind doesn’t silence. When you try to silence it, it won’t, it never will. The mind shatters. But if you bring your concentrated focus into something in your body, that’s the mind isn’t. You’re not the mind on its own, just it’s almost like it knows you’re not listening to it, so it might as well stop, you know? Yeah, that’s really cool. It’s so much more powerful than trying to sit and sounds the mind. That’s just never works it does not work.

Speaker 2: 32:27
You can calm down, but your mind is still just, instantly, instantly going and keep chattering.

Speaker 1: 32:35
Yeah, it’s a bit like how I sort of find it these days. It’s like the body so much it just wants to be felt and the mind is just a mirror of the body. And if I’m not feeling the body, the mind’s like well, you’re not fucking taking care of that. So I’m going to have a tantrum up here. But if I’m like, okay, let’s just take some time, let’s just go feel what’s happening, wherever that is in my hands or feet or you know go between crazy parts and calm parts, or and then the body’s like, oh, okay, I’m good now.

Speaker 1: 33:04
And then the mind almost like. The mind is like there’s like an overflow into the mind, and when the body calms down, the mind’s like, oh, I’m, I’m good now. You know, it’s all good yeah, yeah and um.

Speaker 2: 33:14
I mean, we talked about disassociating. But what you’re trying, what? What you’re, what happens is because your feelings are hurting so bad you get out of your body when, like you just said, the body needs to be felt. So if you go in and feel your body, that’s what the answer. That’s the answer, right there.

Speaker 2: 33:35
Yeah, and you know, go in and check it all out. You know, by just sitting here and you know feeling your body watching it like move on its own, you think you’re going to move your head and it’s already like starting to go. That’s really cool. You don’t have to just like move, you just like sit there, I’m going to move my head. It starts moving. The nervous system, I think, just like says okay, let me do it. Yeah, it’s very fun stuff.

Speaker 2: 34:18
It’s fun to do when you do the monthly rumble because it’s, you know, in Rageheart each day. The session is maybe 10, 20 minutes long, something like that, but the rumble that goes on for an hour, and especially if there’s other people and we’re kind of like, even though we’re on zoom, we are, we connect somehow even though it’s through zoom, and that makes it even a greater experience. When you’re doing it with somebody, um, and then for a full by the end of the hour, wow, it’s a new day, you know, so it’s really great.

Speaker 1: 34:59
Yeah, I mean it’s good for me. I go in because I’m just doing. It’s what I would be doing on my own usually, so I just do that. I might come in same thing, I might come in a bit stressed or a bit whatever, because I’m out of whatever’s been happening that day and then by the end of it I’m like woof, just feel so. Same thing.

Speaker 2: 35:15
I’m like this feels great well, sometimes I get my cat. You know, I’m so busy and I get so much of my calendar and I get so many things I gotta get done, and that’s when I’m getting into danger, when I need to stop and get in the email, click on one of the rumbles and it’s like I don’t have time, though I don’t have time to be here right now, I don’t have time to be anywhere, I’m all over the places.

Speaker 2: 35:39
And that’s when I have to really say, okay, wait a minute here this is what it’s all about is getting doing a rumble and um, and then everything seems to get more organized on its own yeah, perfect.

Speaker 1: 35:57
And lastly, uh who do you? Who would you say rage heart is for? Is it for people who you know you mentioned? You’ve done some meditation and chanting your monastics, so is it for? Obviously can help someone like that, but do you recommend, you know, is it for someone who’s got a spiritual thing and they’re trying to become enlightened? Or is it for someone else, someone who’s working like? Who do you? Who would you recommend or say rage heart is good for?

Speaker 2: 36:20
you know, I mean um, who would you recommend? Or say Rage Heart is good for? You know I mean so. In Peter Levin’s book it’s about people who have been in trauma. But I have found out since all this that people don’t even think they’ve been in trauma ‘s all trauma. It’s almost like they, that’s their norm. And so you ask them, you know, experienced trauma. And you’re like no, none. And then you find out that their daily life is trauma and they have just gotten so used to it. And then when they you know, like you know something like this, if they would do it, then they would, they would get some healing that they don’t even know they need. So it’s really for everybody. I mean everybody experiences, you know, a sympathetic nervous system being out of control. And it’s for, it’s for everybody who experiences the sympathetic nervous system being out of control. And it’s for everybody who experiences the sympathetic nervous system being out of control, and that’s everybody. And even the people who meditate, they’re not really calming down their nervous system, they’re trying to silence their mind and they gain. I’m not saying it’s useless, it is. It’s helpful to everybody, everybody to to what degree? I still, I still chant, I still breathing techniques, but I, um, that doesn’t get what this work does for me, which is to get me right here, right now, right present, and free me, free my mind. So, um, it’s for everybody, it’s just um, it’s people like they. A lot of people think they need a, like I did in the beginning. There’s nothing happening here, it’s too simple, but actually that’s the beauty of it. It it is happening if you let it and you don’t need, you know, firecrackers to go off to make you calm down. You know, and I think that more and more people, the more that they’re introduced to this and can experience it, then if they would not just say like, oh, one day, it’s that quick, you know, pill, one pill is all. It’s going to take mentality that we’re so used to from the medical system take this, you know prescription and you’re all, you’re done. It just doesn’t work that way. This is a lifetime practice and it’s simple and easy and free and with you all the time. If they would stay with the program and keep doing the daily practices, you know, it doesn’t take long when they start going wow, just this is great. You know, this is. This is really cool.

Speaker 1: 39:11
Yeah, yeah, and that’s been one of the big challenge, main point of feedback that people come in with when they start rage artists it’s too slow, nothing’s out here, nothing’s happening. It’s like okay, just just just give it a bit of time, like try it out and do a little bit more. It might take some time. You know everyone’s different, but I mean I’ve been doing this for four and a half years now with myself and I’m still like how is it that four and a half years later I’m still doing the same thing? I’m teaching you and everyone in Rage Art is the same thing I do for myself and it’s still so simple. It gets more profound and gets deeper over time, but it’s still the basic techniques.

Speaker 1: 39:46
It’s not like they get super advanced or anything like that, or you start levitating. It’s just the same old, but you’re just more refined and more subtle, and I still love it. I’m still like how is this? How is this not? How is this not? How is not? How is every like? I’m like life can be hard enough with all this stuff. I’m like how do people get through life without this? Most people don’t have any of this stuff. They go through all kinds of pain and trauma and sickness and death and all kinds of things and and they don’t and I guess they don’t how they get through it is all the stuff you see alcohol and porn and facebook and shopping and all the different things we do to to feel what, to not feel really so yeah, exactly to, to not feel, and you know, like that experience I had in the grocery store or any crowded place around.

Speaker 2: 40:34
People are somewhere else yeah I mean, they never are here and that’s that’s so sad, that they can go through a life with never really being here in their body present, and uh, that’s so. I just hope this spreads and people, more and more people, you know, once they do do it and go through the program, it’s life changing. It’s life changing. And it’s so great to have creativity flowing and happiness and when I get off center, just such a simple thing to get centered again. So yeah it’s really great.

Speaker 2: 41:21
And you’re doing a rumble coming up.

Speaker 1: 41:23
It’s saturday rumbles on saturday yeah, yeah, 12 pm eastern. I mean, this will be this. Probably won’t get this live before before then, so but um, yeah saturday you’re gonna go.

Speaker 2: 41:35
You’ll be there. Yeah, the last one I think was I was yeah, I was babysitting my grandkids, but this one I’ll be there. Yeah, the last one I think was I was yeah, I was babysitting my grandkids, but this one I’ll be there yeah cool good to see you so well, I guess we can wrap it up.

Speaker 1: 41:47
This feels like a good note to end on with the rumble on Saturday. If anyone’s listening and they want to check out Rage Heart to rageheartco, it’s like Braveheart but rageheartco, not com co. All right, my name is John Wood and this has been Gailer, and I hope you enjoyed this interview. See you next time.